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  1. [verwijderd] 8 oktober 2011 08:06
    Beetje vage conspiracy theory over Lofalk. Het geeft wel aan dat het rommelt en dat (en dat roep ik al de hele tijd) de aandeelhouder straks de rekening gaat betalen. Die hut is binnenkort failliet en de restjes gaan naar Geely. EIB eist zijn lening op, NDO moet EIB betalen maar krijgt het onderpand en dat verkopen zij vervolgens aan Geely. En deze saga krijgt een staartje voor Muller. Mark my words!
  2. [verwijderd] 8 oktober 2011 08:31
    Our Daily Saab: Duck And Cover
    By Bertel Schmitt on October 7, 2011

    Where to start? Let’s start with the money. The $96 million promised by China’s Youngman and badly needed by Saab are not here. They haven’t left China either. Not just because China is on vacation. Youngman claims they have not received what they were promised, and until that happens, no money will be sent. “If the conditions are not met, we cannot pay,” Rachel Pang, president of Youngman, said in an email to Dagens Industri. Welcome to China. Now wait what the Swedes have up their sleeves.

    The Swedish paper Sydsvenskan reaches Rachel Pang per phone. Ms. Pang says Saab hasn’t kept its end of the deal. “When they have transferred the technology into an escrow account, we will pay,” she says. The technology is the construction data for the PhoeniX platform. Hard to transfer that per bank wire, but who knows.  The paper asks about the NDRC. Ms. Pang says they had a good meeting. “They want to be ready soon.” How soon? Ms. Pang has no comment.

    Saab needs the money in a hurry. The Swedish government is currently paying the salaries of Saab’s workers. But only until October 20.  Then Saab has to pay.  “What if Saab does not have the money to meet payroll?” Dagens Industri asks. “It will be the same as in June, July and August – we will start the process to secure our members’ money,” answers Martin Wästfelt, legal counsel of Unionen, one of the unions of Saab’s workers. It will go very quickly then. On October 31 is a creditors’ meeting. The Unions will be the main creditors.

    So where is the money? Dagens Industri comes to the conclusion that there “is a knot in the deal between Youngman and Saab,” and we tend to agree.

    Other people seem to agree also. Such as the Swedish government, and the reorganization administrator Guy Lofalk.  Guy Lofalk recently traveled to China and shopped Saab around. Apparently, he was not dispatched by Saab. He was dispatched by the Swedish government. There are two versions of this story.

    The benign version is told by Dagens Industri. The paper writes that the Swedish government wants to take over the 230 million Euro loan from the European Investment bank, thereby becoming an owner in Saab. Then, the Swedes want to sell the company quickly to a Chinese buyer. Any Chinese would be fine. The Swedish government would prefer – the yellow devil you know – Geely.

    The sinister version is told by Swedish Radio. It basically reiterates the same game plan, but under the headline “Lofalk has gone behind the backs of Saab.” The station says that  the Swedish government wants to “get rid of Saab’s CEO Victor Muller.”  The station claims that Lofalk convinced Pang Da and Youngman to withdraw from the deal, which would explain the missing money. The station says that Lofalk came back from China with the news that he has Geely as a buyer.

    Let’s check in with the faithful at Saabsunited. They never liked Dagens Industri, and they prefer  the sinister version.

    Geely is on record that they don’t want Saab, but this can change. If some of the above becomes reality instead of duck soup, then there is another problem in China: Only one company can ask for NDRC approval at any given time. A slighted Youngman can wait forever and tell Geely to take a number. Which would mean that the Swedish government will own Saab. If it is dumb enough to go for it.  They aren’t stupid.
  3. [verwijderd] 8 oktober 2011 08:39
    De Zweedse regering,gaat volgens de berichten de schuld aan de EIB aflossen,voor het bedrag ,wat ze betalen willen ze Swan aandelen terug hebben die ze dan weer willen verkopen aan een Chinees bedrijf,dat is het plan,dus die chinezen die die aandelen kopen hebben dan voor €245 miljoen aandelen in Swan,dat is ongeveer hetzelfde bedrag als Pang Da en Youngman erin wilden steken!
  4. [verwijderd] 8 oktober 2011 09:12
    quote:

    Croissant schreef op 8 oktober 2011 08:39:

    De Zweedse regering,gaat volgens de berichten de schuld aan de EIB aflossen,voor het bedrag ,wat ze betalen willen ze Swan aandelen terug hebben die ze dan weer willen verkopen aan een Chinees bedrijf,dat is het plan,dus die chinezen die die aandelen kopen hebben dan voor €245 miljoen aandelen in Swan,dat is ongeveer hetzelfde bedrag als Pang Da en Youngman erin wilden steken!
    Dat klopt maar wat krijgen ze ervoor terug? Alleen Saab Parts en Tools... Daar zit nogal een verschil he? Dus als Geely heel Saab in handen wil krijgen is de logische route via een faillissement en doorstart van de rest. En daarmee dus einde oefening voor de aandeelhouder. Overigens is de werkelijke vraag, aandelen in wat? Nu ik er zo over nadenk.
  5. Diejojo23 8 oktober 2011 09:27
    online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529...

    BY NORIHIKO SHIROUZU

    BEIJING—Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co. isn't interested in taking part in the restructuring of Sweden's Saab Automobile AB, the company said late Friday, though a person familiar with the matter said the Chinese auto maker isn't completely uninterested in the brand.

    Geely, which acquired fellow Swedish car maker Volvo Car in 2010, said in a statement that its officials have spoken with Saab representatives. But the Chinese auto maker did so "out of politeness" after it was first contacted ...
  6. Diejojo23 8 oktober 2011 09:31
    Lofalk går bakom ryggen på Saab
    Publicerat: kl 08:52 , Nyheter P4 Göteborg Dela

    Foto: Adam Ihse/Scanpix.
    Enligt flera källor till P4 Väst, bland annat en högt uppsatt källa på Saab, ska Saabs rekonstruktör Guy Lofalk agera på uppdrag av finansdepartementet för att få bort Saabs vd Victor Muller. En av P4 Västs källor säger att: "Saab har fått Anders Borg som rekonstruktör".
    Enligt källor till P4 Väst ska Saabs rekonstruktör Guy Lofalk ha rest till Kina och fått de kinesiska företagen Pang Da och Youngman att ta tilllbaka sina löften om att investera pengar i Saab, vilket skulle förklara varför Saab inte fått de 70 miljoner euro som Youngman skulle satt in på Saabs konto redan runt den 25 september.
    Guy Lofalk ska enligt källorna ha sagt till kineserna att Europeiska Investeringsbanken, EIB, kommer att vilja avsluta sitt lån vilket gör att staten som har gått i borgen för EIB-lånet kommer att begära att få ut de panter som man har i Saab.
    EIB-lånet är just nu på 2,2 miljarder kronor.
    Därmed skulle staten äga det som finns kvar av Saab, till exempel reservdelsrörelsen Saab Parts och Saab Tools där Saabs alla verktyg finns.
    Efter Lofalks besök i Kina reste han vidare till Stockholm för ett besök på Riksgälden. Där säger han enligt P4 Västs källor att kineserna inte har betalat ut sina pengar till Saab och att Riksgälden ska säga till EIB att säga upp lånet med Saab.
    Lofalk säger sedan att han har en ny köpare i form av Volvos kinesiska ägare Geely.
    Enligt P4 Västs källor ska bakgrunden till Guy Lofalks agerande vara att statsminister Fredrik Reinfeldt och finansminister Anders Borg vill ha borta både Victor Muller och Vladimir Antonov.
    Markus Sjöqvist, pressekreterare till Anders Borg, säger att han inte vet något kring frågan.
    – Det här känner jag inte till något kring, det är Näringsdepartementet som sköter Saabs frågor, säger Sjöqvist till P4 Väst.
  7. [verwijderd] 8 oktober 2011 09:32
    quote:

    Diejojo23 schreef op 8 oktober 2011 09:27:

    online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529...

    BY NORIHIKO SHIROUZU

    BEIJING—Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co. isn't interested in taking part in the restructuring of Sweden's Saab Automobile AB, the company said late Friday, though a person familiar with the matter said the Chinese auto maker isn't completely uninterested in the brand.

    Geely, which acquired fellow Swedish car maker Volvo Car in 2010, said in a statement that its officials have spoken with Saab representatives. But the Chinese auto maker did so "out of politeness" after it was first contacted ...
    Nou dat is helemaal fraai dan. Geen geld van Youngman en geen nieuwe partij, dan is het al helemaal over. Maar ik geloof dit soort uitspraken niet zo, als de hut failliet is staan ze vooraan in de rij om de smakelijk restjes eruit te pikken.

    Beetje tegenstrijdig bericht overigens. Ze zijn niet geinteresseerd maar iemand zegt dat ze niet ongeinteresseerd zijn en in de laatste alinea wordt dat weer ontkracht.
  8. [verwijderd] 8 oktober 2011 09:34
    ok hier is de vertaling. Meer van hetzelfde toch?

    According to several sources to P4 the West, including a high-ranking source at Saab, the Saab administrator Guy Lofalk act on behalf of the Finance Ministry to remove the Saab's CEO Victor Muller. One of the P4 West's sources said: "Saab has been Anders Borg as administrator".
    According to the sources of P4 West to Saab's administrator Guy Lofalk have traveled to China and with Chinese companies Pang Da and Youngman to take tilll back on its promises to invest money into Saab, which would explain why Saab did not receive the 70 million that Youngman was sitting Saab into account already around 25 September.

    Guy Lofalk according to sources have told the Chinese to the European Investment Bank, EIB, will want to close their loans so that the State has guaranteed for the EIB loan will seek to get the pledges that have been in the Saab.EIB loan is currently 2.2 billion.

    Thus the state would take what is left of Saab, including spare movement Saab Parts and Saab Tools Saab's where all the tools available.
    After Lofalk visit to China, he traveled to Stockholm for a visit to the National Debt Office. There, he says as P4 West's sources that the Chinese have not paid their money into Saab and that the former will tell the Bank to terminate the loan with Saab.Lofalk then says that he has a new buyer in the form of Volvo's Chinese owners of Geely.

    According to P4 West's sources, the background to Guy Lofalk action to be Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt and Minister for Finance Anders Borg would have gone both Victor Muller and Vladimir Antonov. Markus Sjöqvist, Press Secretary to Anders Borg, said he does not know anything about the issue.
    - This I do not know anything about, it's the Ministry in charge of Saab's issues, says Sjöqvist to P4 West.
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