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  2. [verwijderd] 11 augustus 2011 17:27
    quote:

    aandeeltje! schreef op 11 augustus 2011 14:17:

    Ik kom er niet helemaal uit in de waardebepaling van dit aandeel.

    Wat zouden de winsten (p/a) kunnen zijn en wat en wanneer kan ik dividend zien?
    En als ik een winst zou kunnen bepalen. Hoeveel aandelen zullen er dan wel niet zijn?
    Hmmm, zal een gooi doen:
    Eigen vermogen Saab was 31-12-2010 -300mil
    Winst per jaar -280mil
    organisatiekosten 300mil per jaar
    Nu plus minus maand 9
    Gelukkig enige verwatering, nu uitstaand 30mil aandelen

    Dus nu:
    eigen vermogen: -300-3/4*300=-525mil
    vorig jaar 20mil verdiend ex organisatie lasten, dit was op 30k auto's, nu ben ik bang dat de marge negatief is geworden (immers iedereen jaar in dienst voor max half jaar productie), maar laten we het op nul stellen.
    Dus waarde aandeel: -17.5€ eigen vermogen per aandeel, WPA -10€. Laten we 8xWPA nemen:
    Waarde aandeel -17.5+8xWPA=-97.5€

    Maar dan moet je wel snel kopen want het gaat heel hard met de waarde! :-)



  3. [verwijderd] 11 augustus 2011 17:29
    quote:

    Pars schreef op 11 augustus 2011 17:15:

    [...]

    Thanks beer, hoe is het vandaag met de portefeuille? Beetje minder rood inmiddels?
    Vandaag een stevige plus maar zal even duren voor de klappen van afgelopen dagen zijn weggewerkt...
    Ah ja, hoort erbij, genereert wel leuke koopmomenten.
  8. AX lover 11 augustus 2011 17:47
    De deurwaarder staat voor de deur!

    quote:

    schreef:

    Enforcement officer close to foreclosure at Saab

    August 11, 2011 at 15:17
    Updated: 11 August 2011 at 15:50
    Soon taking enforcement officer for more drastic action against Saab. On Tuesday and Wednesday, the time has expired for the first four cases of 14 which is currently to the enforcement department's table.

    Then begins the actual investigation leading to the execution of Saab not previously have time to pay.

    The 14 claims is a total of just over nine million. The first four in the next week related to between four and five million.
    www.svd.se/naringsliv/kronofogden-nar...

    De deadlines zijn verstreken, het incasseren gaat beginnen.
  9. forum rang 7 lucas D 11 augustus 2011 17:49
    quote:

    Croissant schreef op 11 augustus 2011 17:42:

    In de eindveiling,nog geen 12000 aandelen dus weinig droppersvandaag.
    Nu nog het bericht dat er met een Amerikaanse grootaandeelhouder overeenkomst gesloten is. Dan kunnen we heel langzaam aan een koers richting de 2 euro en hoger gaan denken.
    Tot het zover is blijft het halen en brengen met de koers.

    lucas D
  11. [verwijderd] 11 augustus 2011 17:51
    quote:

    AX lover schreef op 11 augustus 2011 17:47:

    De deurwaarder staat voor de deur!

    [...]
    www.svd.se/naringsliv/kronofogden-nar...

    De deadlines zijn verstreken, het incasseren gaat beginnen.
    morgen dan waarschijnlijk ook een update over hoe saab de schulden gaat financieren , misschien vandaar dat er ook weinig in de eindveiling zat afwachten wat er morgen eventueel kan gaan komen...
  15. AX lover 11 augustus 2011 18:01
    En mensen die dachten dat Saab de problemen met IAC had opgelost moet ik ook teleurstellen. Ze hebben een nieuwe claim ingediend.

    quote:

    schreef:

    It is the subcontractor IAC who on Thursday filed a new claim for unpaid invoices.

    Thus, the receivables from IAC on the Saab up in a total of 73 million.
    www.dn.se/ekonomi/fogden-knackar-snar...
  16. AX lover 11 augustus 2011 18:03
    quote:

    schreef:

    The steward knocks once at Saab

    Published Today 17:17
    Next week at the time out for some of the bailiffs of cases against Saab. Then it becomes current with attachable to get up five million to subcontractors.

    In addition, ports are now additional 42 million of Saab's debt mountain of Enforcement. It is the subcontractor IAC who on Thursday filed a new claim for unpaid invoices.

    Thus, the receivables from IAC on the Saab up in a total of 73 million.

    - We have received a new claim, but have not had time to reconcile this with Saab, says Kristina Lindberg, analyst at the Enforcement Service in Uddevalla, to TV 4 News West.

    Soon taking enforcement officer for more drastic action against Saab. On Tuesday begins the actual investigation leading to seizure. About Saab not previously pay the four contractors whose claims are first in line is the steward to start looking for between four and five million.

    - We are primarily in and looking at bank accounts and cash, said Hans Ryberg, director of the Enforcement Department of the magistrate's office in Uddevalla.

    - Then we find out what the company owns and does not own, what is pledged and what others have in the security that we can impose.

    Total is one hundred cases in magistrate's office in Uddevalla. After the debt has been established as a first step, the cases as also for the recovery. The largest amount of claims component manufacturer IAC, totaling about 73 million.

    Any bankruptcy petition is not the district court, despite media rumors about such threats. Instead retains Saab midst of economic turmoil ambition that production will resume at the earliest on 29 August, after more than four months' residence.
    www.dn.se/ekonomi/fogden-knackar-snar...
  17. knaap1 11 augustus 2011 18:05
    quote:

    AX lover schreef:

    [quote alias=knaap1 id=5726631 date=201108111749]
    www.dn.se/ekonomi/saab-och-pang-da-se...
    [/quote]

    Dat is nieuws van een week geleden... En heeft betrekking op gesprekken die afgelopen weekend zijn gevoerd. Is al uitgebreid bekend en besproken.
    Je heb gelijk verkeerde link geplakt.
  18. [verwijderd] 11 augustus 2011 18:07
    2011-08-11 17:19

    Saab Automobile's debt position of Enforcement is becoming increasingly serious. On Thursday the established liabilities for just under 37 million and the beginning of next week begins the great commission to establish which of the bleeding carmaker's assets that can be measured out.

    On Thursday, the bailiff in Uddevalla nine Saab Liabilities totaling 36.7 million. This means that debt is seen as correct and that the recovery could be the next step.

    Among the requirements are the major claim of IAC, which initially was 45.6 million, but now is just under 31 million. This after that Saab has paid off the debt to the IAC, which di.se previously reported.

    In total, four of the nine creditors requesting enforcement, including the IAC. This means that the requirements are forwarded directly to the recovery of bailiffs enforcement department.

    An execution of Saab's assets now approaching. On Wednesday of next week begin the bailiffs enforcement department a major investigation, the Saab does not have time to pay before then.

    14 cases are currently at the enforcement division table. Overall, it is about claims of 9.1 million. These include a requirement from the supplier Kongsberg Automotive.

    Saab has had two weeks to voluntarily pay the four requirements for a total of just over 4 million, which is for recovery. On Tuesday of next week, the so-called notice period has expired for them, which means that the bailiff days after starting an investigation to see which of Saab's assets that can be measured out.

    "Then we contact the company and want to arrange a meeting. We begin by looking at bank accounts and cash, which can be measured immediately. Then we go through the balance sheet item by item and are looking at including fixtures and inventory. In Saab's case, it is a bit complicated because much is pledged. We need to investigate who owns what and what can be measured out, "says Hans Ryberg, head of the bailiffs enforcement unit in Uddevalla.

    Normally takes such an investigation from one to three months.

    "It's hard to say exactly how long it takes. If it turns out that Saab does not have sufficient resources to meet claims it can go fast. If it's attachable assets are taking the investigation time, "says Hans Ryberg.

    The creditors who have asked for enforcement, that is, which required the liabilities to be measured out, can get paid under the inquiry if it finds that there are assets to measure out.

    "The investigation will show whether there are assets in excess of what is pledged. I can not say what happens in Saab's case. But normally, when there is a large enterprise mortgage, usually there would be attachable assets in any significant way, "says Hans Ryberg.

    translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&...
  19. [verwijderd] 11 augustus 2011 18:07
    quote:

    AX lover schreef:

    [...]

    www.dn.se/ekonomi/fogden-knackar-snar...
    nou lekker , in beslag names van assets op korte termijn....en vooralsnog geen investeerder met een paar 100 miljoen...

    GEM zal de boel wel weer even op korte termijn komen redden..mega verwatering opkomst ruik ik zo.
  20. AX lover 11 augustus 2011 18:10
    quote:

    schreef:

    Rumours are causing concern among contractors

    Published: 12:28 pm
    The circulating rumors that some suppliers to Saab Automobile has been paid more than others. This can result in restless and impatient subcontractors now reviewing the possibility of requesting Saab bankrupt.

    - It is so that there are many reports in the media that Saab will pay some providers but not others. It creates a very big concern, so I think we will see that many more providers will attempt to exploit the opportunity to ask the Saab into bankruptcy, says Lars Holmqvist, CEO of European sub-organization CLEPA, the P4 West.

    The information that has been in the media recently include that vehicle component manufacturer IAC should have been paid more than others and in addition, the company Swepart quickly withdrew its petition against the Saab subsidiary Saab Tools - after the parties agreed.

    Lars Holmqvist argues that it is not surprising that contractors are now looking at the possibility of requesting Saab bankrupt.
    - If you think that anyone, of all the 100's of suppliers get paid when others do not get it so it pretty easy to conclude that if I did not ask the Saab out of business, I get no money, says Lars Holmqvist.
    Even Sven Ake Berglie, who is president of Automotive Suppliers, says that he gets more calls from Swedish companies that want to review the possibility of filing a bankruptcy petition or submit the debt to the bailiff.
    According to both Lars Holmqvist and Sven-Ake Berglie is the basic problem of Saab's lack of communication.
    - It is not acceptable . I think it makes things worse, instead of information, rumor and speculation, it would be better if you informed on how things are.
    P4 The West has sought to Saab's communications department for a comment, without success.
    sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?pr...

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