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  1. nestel 21 november 2012 16:41
    quote:

    roypeters schreef op 21 november 2012 16:15:

    [...]

    Ja zag het gebeuren... toch maar even wat gekocht
    Mocht het toch niet doorgaan dan verlies ik een paar centen en mocht het wel doorgaan tjaaaa...
    Paar grote deelorders werden AMS uitgevoerd. De gehele dag heel extreem laag TNT handelsvolume +-8% van normaal ofzo. Sinds 15:45 timemark, ruim 1,75 mln stuks and rising fast. Volume nu 2.754.000

    marketviewer.equiduct.com/

    PostNL kreeg tegelijkertijd ook een spikeje te verwerken ;-).
  2. nestel 23 november 2012 10:42
    'UPS werkt verder aan eisen Brussel'

    Gepubliceerd op 23 nov 2012 om 09:32 | Views: 353


    BRUSSEL (AFN) - UPS praat met verscheidene partijen in een poging te voldoen aan de eisen die de Europese Commissie aan het bedrijf heeft gesteld voor de overname van TNT Express. Dat schrijft de Belgische bank KBC vrijdag op basis van een artikel van Mergermarket.

    UPS moet op 29 november laten weten wat voor concessies het kan doen om de zorgen van de Commissie over de dominante positie van een eventueel fusiebedrijf weg te nemen.

    Volgens KBC praat UPS onder meer met DPD (La Poste) en met GLS (Royal Mail). FedEx is naar eigen zeggen niet bij de onderhandelingen betrokken. UPS moet waarschijnlijk verscheidene onderdelen afstoten om TNT over te mogen nemen.

    www.iex.nl/Nieuws/ANP_ANP-231112-075/...

    De Belgische bank schat de kans dat de overname het groene licht krijgt van Brussel op 50 procent, ondanks de ,,constructieve houding'' van UPS.

    hahaha ja , het gaat WEL door of het gaat NIET door, 50% kans dus altijd..

    grapjurken...
  3. nestel 23 november 2012 10:49
    quote:

    Blutter schreef op 22 november 2012 17:47:

    Iemand plaatst een order van 10.000 stuks in de slotveiling en dat is € 73.300 en dat is toch een grote order. Iemand is aan het kopen.
    Buitelandse kopers m.i., gezien het tijdstip (vanaf +-1430 uur) van toegenomen volume, en dan TNT "pieken", de laatste 2 dagen..
  4. nestel 23 november 2012 11:11
    www.iex.nl/Column/88810/Let-op-TNT-Ex...

    Let op TNT Express en PostNL

    Leest u vooral het allerlaatste gedeelte:

    Investment case!

    AJ bedankt!

    Deze is ook interessant:

    valueandopportunity.com/2012/11/20/sp...
    ...
    The share now trades below 7 EUR, interestingly this is only a little higher than the “undisturbed” price in January/February which was between 6.10 -6.50 EUR. Since then, for instance Deutsche Post for gained some 15% from February, Österreichische Post even some 20%:
    ...

    If the deal falls through, I think similar to Rhoen, there might be other groups interested in the business.

    The risk is of course that some (very slow) hedge funds might sell if the deal finally falls thorugh but I assume that the 2.55 EUR difference to the bid price implies that most of the “Clever” merger arbitrage players are already out.

    As a first summary, I will watch this and maybe start a 1% position in the next few days for my “special situation” bucket.
    ...

  5. nestel 23 november 2012 11:18
    A few more thoughts on TNT Express – Implied probability of deal happening is only 19% (ZEGGEN ZIJ, BERICHT BEVAT O.A. BETER KOERSNIEUWS, LEEST U VOORAL VERDER!)

    valueandopportunity.com/2012/11/21/a-...
    ...
    For TNT Express, the truly “undisturbed” price the day before the offer was 6,34 EUR, so the current price is around 10% higher than that level.

    ...
    There were a couple of articles which said that there is now a 50/50 chance of the deal happening, like here.

    However at current prices(6.95 EUR) we can relatively easily calculate the implied probability of the deal happening:

    Undisturbed price: 6.34 EUR
    Current prcie: 6.95 EUR
    Offer price: 9,50 EUR

    So the implied probabality of the deal happening can be calculated the following way:

    (6.95-6.34) / (9.50-6.34) = 19.3%.

    Anyone who thinks that there is really a 50/50 chance of the deal happening should buy now as the expected share price under this assumption should be 7.92 EUR (6.34 + (9.5-6.34)/2).

    Going back to timing: What we haven’t seen here is a upmove of the stock like we have seen with Rhoen. So far we only saw the price going doen and the implied probability of the deal happening decreasing.

    B) intrinsic value

    This is somwhow difficult. The 9,50 EUR is a “private market” value, maybe including a premium for synergies.

    TNT Express since its spin off has yet to prove that they can achieve margins like their competitors. Based on Q3 numbers, they are curently heading to something like 220 mn “operating income” or EBITDA for 2012 which equals an “operating margin” of only 3%.

    UPS for example has an operating margin of 11.4%, FedEx of 7.8%. Deutsche Post has an ~9% EBIT Margin in the Express segment. So TNT has definitely some room to improve.

    If we assume 8% operating margin, TNT would show ~600 mn EBITDA. Current EV is 3.5 bn, potential EV/EBITDA ~6.

    This is much lower than UPS (10x EV/EBITDA) but higher than Fedex (4.9x). Deutsche Post is at 5 times EV/EBITDA.

    So at current prices and assuming quite a turn around, TNT Express is not really cheap. So any investment would be a pure “Merger arbitrage” or “control premium” inevstment which might or not work out.

    No action yet.

    Edit: During writing this post, the share price jumped some 3.5% compared to yesterday, is this the first leg of the rebound ?…..

    Vandaar de dus de m.i. dus idd buitenlandse TNT kooppiek vanaf +-14.30 uur afgelopen dagen!
  6. nestel 23 november 2012 11:44
    quote:

    nestel schreef op 23 november 2012 11:18:

    A few more thoughts on TNT Express – Implied probability of deal happening is only 19%

    Het gaat NIET alleen over de , volgens hen, 19% ! Zie de vermelde koers bij 50/50 volgens hen...

    valueandopportunity.com/2012/11/21/a-...
    ...
    For TNT Express, the truly “undisturbed” price the day before the offer was 6,34 EUR, so the current price is around 10% higher than that level.

    ...
    There were a couple of articles which said that there is now a 50/50 chance of the deal happening, like here.

    However at current prices(6.95 EUR) we can relatively easily calculate the implied probability of the deal happening:

    Undisturbed price: 6.34 EUR
    Current prcie: 6.95 EUR
    Offer price: 9,50 EUR

    So the implied probabality of the deal happening can be calculated the following way:

    (6.95-6.34) / (9.50-6.34) = 19.3%.

    Anyone who thinks that there is really a 50/50 chance of the deal happening should buy now as the expected share price under this assumption should be 7.92 EUR (6.34 + (9.5-6.34)/2).

    Going back to timing: What we haven’t seen here is a upmove of the stock like we have seen with Rhoen. So far we only saw the price going doen and the implied probability of the deal happening decreasing.

    B) intrinsic value

    This is somwhow difficult. The 9,50 EUR is a “private market” value, maybe including a premium for synergies.

    TNT Express since its spin off has yet to prove that they can achieve margins like their competitors. Based on Q3 numbers, they are curently heading to something like 220 mn “operating income” or EBITDA for 2012 which equals an “operating margin” of only 3%.

    UPS for example has an operating margin of 11.4%, FedEx of 7.8%. Deutsche Post has an ~9% EBIT Margin in the Express segment. So TNT has definitely some room to improve.

    If we assume 8% operating margin, TNT would show ~600 mn EBITDA. Current EV is 3.5 bn, potential EV/EBITDA ~6.

    This is much lower than UPS (10x EV/EBITDA) but higher than Fedex (4.9x). Deutsche Post is at 5 times EV/EBITDA.

    So at current prices and assuming quite a turn around, TNT Express is not really cheap. So any investment would be a pure “Merger arbitrage” or “control premium” inevstment which might or not work out.

    No action yet.

    Edit: During writing this post, the share price jumped some 3.5% compared to yesterday, is this the first leg of the rebound ?…..

    Vanaf 14.30 afgelopen 2 dagen grote significante TNT volumespikes en koers up. Dus toch buitenlandse kopers..
  7. nestel 23 november 2012 14:16
    T is weer bijna 14.30 uur:

    7,397 ligt nu een kleine weerstand. adj. En een verkooporder van 5000 wordt net weggehaald... Weerstand wordt kleiner..

    Koers 7,385 14:13:35

    DL 7,26 DH 7,408 Volume tot nu toe: 983.864

    adj. 14.20 uur en poef weerstandje is genomen.. koers 7,415 new DH
    volume 1.060.827
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