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  1. Flatlander 3 februari 2020 01:28
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    brightlight schreef op 2 februari 2020 20:32:

    [...]
    FL
    In fact I welcome it when people with a different mindset come to plead their case when they have good arguments. What I was reacting to was the fact that I had already pointed out before the Hans post in question that gross margins at Bcart are nearly the same as those at Cepheid, and yet everybody keeps repeating they are (about 50%) lower! That is what bothers me!
    This being said, if Hans would be specific about which margins other than gross he is actually talking about, then I could look into that.
    BL
    Yes the margins can vary extensively depending on how they are calculated. I can replicate the numbers cited by both of you depending on which revenue number is used. Revenue -cost of goods sold/ revenue is how gross margins are defined, but significant variability may exist within this definition. Might your numbers based on total revenue (i.e., including collaboration revenue) where as Hans is using only product sales revenue?

    BCART is so early into the product rollout in some geographies (Asia and US), that I'm not sweating it much. They have indicated that the marketing model in these areas is to recruit large research oriented clients that might act as influencers for other future users. I guess I always assumed that product margins in these new geographies were being temporarily suppressed knowing that these first users would publish their experience with Idylla driving future growth. To date I have not read any negative reviews of Idylla. On the conference calls I recall Verrelst indicating that the anticipation was for margins to improve after a user had completed initial validation testing and began ramping cartridge usage.

    I welcome comments from anyone bringing market insights on competitors (defied loosely as MDx providers). We are starting to get a wider variety of people bringing different insights. A lot posters are putting significant effort into providing new facts or insights into the company. I commend you for your many contributions!

    Regards FL


  2. Flatlander 3 februari 2020 01:37
    www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/asco-am...

    The BCART power point presentations always mention Amgen as a KRAS CDx partner under the category of CRC. The attached article discusses that the pathway is also a productive target for NSCLC. I don't see separate licensing under the lung cancer category, so I assume that Amgen's CDx partnership might also apply. Amgen has multiple KRAS target drugs so it is possible that the intended Idylla CDx may not AMG 510 (the one I have referenced).

    FL
  3. brightlight 3 februari 2020 06:27
    quote:

    nat1966 schreef op 2 februari 2020 23:23:

    want hebben ze dan wel kansen om verder te groeien als er dan een zo een grote concurrent is
    of blijven ze ergens ter plaatse trappelen ?
    Nat,
    Cepheid richt zich op infectie ziekten, Bcart op kankers. Ze zijn dus eigenlijk geen concurrenten. Cepheid kan zich ook niet snel snel op kankers gaan richten, want daarvoor hebben ze big pharma partners nodig en daarvan zijn er al vijf waarmee Bcart in zee is gegaan. Bcart is dus de referentie op het vlak van MDx kankerstesting. Bovendien is er nog de enorme horde van het goedkeuringsproces door de bevoegde instanties (FDA, etc.) die een mogelijke concurrent eerst nog zal moeten nemen, moest deze concurrent al overwegen zich op het terrein van Bcart te wagen. Dus nee, Cepheid is geen concurrent van Bcart, enkel een vergelijkbaar bedrijf waaraan Bcart's groeitraject kan gespiegeld worden.
    BL
  4. brightlight 3 februari 2020 06:51
    quote:

    Flatlander schreef op 3 februari 2020 01:28:

    [...]
    Yes the margins can vary extensively depending on how they are calculated. I can replicate the numbers cited by both of you depending on which revenue number is used. Revenue -cost of goods sold/ revenue is how gross margins are defined, but significant variability may exist within this definition. Might your numbers based on total revenue (i.e., including collaboration revenue) where as Hans is using only product sales revenue?

    Regards FL
    FL,
    That may be a possible explanation for the difference in numbers. I use total revenue (and so does KBsec analyst L. Van Steenhuyse). For your information, I have been on the phone with investor relations at Bcart a little while ago to get clarity about a few points with regard to their financial statements. Much to my surprise the person told me that third party cartridge sales were booked under collaboration revenue. I immediately made a note of that, so I am quite sure that is what the person said. Still find it hard to believe, but if that is the case, collaboration revenue cannot be separated from sales revenue. And then there is the question of how are Cepheid's gross margins calculated.
    But indeed in my opinion there is little point in comparing the margin numbers at this stage of the game.
    BL
  5. brightlight 3 februari 2020 08:09
    quote:

    Flatlander schreef op 3 februari 2020 01:37:

    www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/asco-am...

    The BCART power point presentations always mention Amgen as a KRAS CDx partner under the category of CRC. The attached article discusses that the pathway is also a productive target for NSCLC. I don't see separate licensing under the lung cancer category, so I assume that Amgen's CDx partnership might also apply. Amgen has multiple KRAS target drugs so it is possible that the intended Idylla CDx may not AMG 510 (the one I have referenced).

    FL
    FL,
    Is there a doctor in the house??? :)
    Indeed it would appear the same test could also be used to detect pancreatic cancer and NSCLC. The way I understand it is that AMG 510 could also be used to treat NSCLC. So it is strange indeed that there is no listing of the test in the lung category. Maybe the fact that Bcart is already working with BMS in the NSCLC category is the answer.
    BL
  6. dany 1964 3 februari 2020 09:52
    Dit aandeel word gewoon de bodem in geshort. , idd kiadis kenner
    en ook niet moeilijk want ook zij weten dat het nog veel lager zal gaan
    da beloofd ,met gissingen zijn we niet veel , ik denk dat ze al weten waar dat zal eindigen
    wat denkt oa kbc nu ??? mooie reclame zou ik zeggen
  7. dany 1964 3 februari 2020 10:04
    ABM FN) Het vertrek van CFO Ewoud Welten bij Biocartis is geen onlogische stap na een vrij intensieve periode bij het biotechbedrijf. Dit stelden de analisten van Kepler Cheuvreux maandagochtend in een reactie op het aanstaande vertrek van de financiële topman.
    Welten zal aan de slag gaan bij een private Nederlandse onderneming in de buurt van Amsterdam, dichter bij zijn familie.
    Nu Biocartis voldoende financiering heeft veilig gesteld en onlangs bevestigde dat de verkoop van cartridges in het vierde kwartaal goed is verlopen, lijkt het volgens Kepler dat het bedrijf na de stevige winstwaarschuwing in september 2019 weer op de goede weg zit.
    je moet het maar kunnen uitleggen gelijk onze goede vriend van kbc !!!
  8. [verwijderd] 3 februari 2020 11:20
    Nat achter de oren . If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kichen.
    Beleggen in biotech is nu eenmaal high risk high reward.
    Stop met die nutteloze posts van jou te plaatsen .we weten onderhand wel
    Dat je het aandeel niet meer ziet zitten .neem je verlies dan en investeer
    Het dan in sterke aandelen zoals je zelf zegt.
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