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KPN weekdraadje van 29 juli t/m 2 augustus 2013

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  1. Jelles14 2 augustus 2013 10:40
    KPN: El Confidencial Digital just that Telefonica is willing to
    increase its bid for Eplus to avoid a takeover bid from AMX the
    webiste reports

    www.elconfidencialdigital.com/dinero/...
    ta-dispuesta-a-mejorar-su-oferta-por-la-alemana-e-plus-5000-mill
    ones-para-bloquear-la-amenaza-de-una-opa-sobre-kpn-por-parte-de-
    carlos-slim
  2. [verwijderd] 2 augustus 2013 10:43
    quote:

    surveyor schreef op 2 augustus 2013 10:40:

    Euri welk aandeel heeft volgens jou en andere meet opwaartse potentie?
    Voor nu zou ik het echt niet weten, ik verdiep me meestal maar in een paar aandelen per keer om de focus niet kwijt te raken, heb nog wel even met een schuin oog naar and gekeken, maar er achteraf helaas niks mee gedaan( stond toen nog onder de 2,00, you win some you lose some :-) )
  3. [verwijderd] 2 augustus 2013 10:43
    quote:

    kippekop schreef op 2 augustus 2013 10:40:

    Er zal vandaag of morgen duidelijkheid moeten komen in de plannen van Slim.
    Dit kan zo niet eindeloos doorgaan.
    Vasthouden !
    Zulke berichten lees je dagelijks hier... clown :D

    p.s. is het maandag niet, dan wordt het opgeschoven naar dinsdag, woensdag en so on and on and on... :-)
  4. [verwijderd] 2 augustus 2013 10:44
    quote:

    Jelles14 schreef op 2 augustus 2013 10:40:

    KPN: El Confidencial Digital just that Telefonica is willing to
    increase its bid for Eplus to avoid a takeover bid from AMX the
    webiste reports

    www.elconfidencialdigital.com/dinero/...
    ta-dispuesta-a-mejorar-su-oferta-por-la-alemana-e-plus-5000-mill
    ones-para-bloquear-la-amenaza-de-una-opa-sobre-kpn-por-parte-de-
    carlos-slim
    Zou mooi zijn !
  5. [verwijderd] 2 augustus 2013 10:46
    quote:

    Jelles14 schreef op 2 augustus 2013 10:40:

    KPN: El Confidencial Digital just that Telefonica is willing to
    increase its bid for Eplus to avoid a takeover bid from AMX the
    webiste reports
    Lees echter wel goed: is willing = ik wil ook veel, maar tot een daadwerkelijke feit komen, is toch wel heel wat anders... :)

    p.s. jullie willen hier allen toch ook geld verdienen op de beurs (= is willing)? maar niet iedereen verdient echter geld op de beurs (= facts)...
  6. D€€jay 2 augustus 2013 10:47
    quote:

    Jelles14 schreef op 2 augustus 2013 10:40:

    KPN: El Confidencial Digital just that Telefonica is willing to
    increase its bid for Eplus to avoid a takeover bid from AMX the
    webiste reports

    www.elconfidencialdigital.com/dinero/...
    ta-dispuesta-a-mejorar-su-oferta-por-la-alemana-e-plus-5000-mill
    ones-para-bloquear-la-amenaza-de-una-opa-sobre-kpn-por-parte-de-
    carlos-slim
    Ook deze krant ziet het dus als een manier van Slim om er een beter bod uit te slepen voor Eplus.
    Daarnaast benadrukt het dat een volledige overname van KPN door AMX de credit-rating negatief beïnvloedt, omdat het daardoor 3mld schuld op de balans krijgt.
  7. [verwijderd] 2 augustus 2013 10:50
    quote:

    Benjamin_Graham schreef op 2 augustus 2013 10:46:

    [...]

    Lees echter wel goed: is willing = ik wil ook veel, maar tot een daadwerkelijke feit komen, is toch wel heel wat anders... :)

    p.s. jullie willen hier allen toch ook geld verdienen op de beurs (= is willing)? maar niet iedereen verdient echter geld op de beurs (= facts)...
    ´willing´ =´bereid´ ?
  8. RAUL 2 augustus 2013 10:50
    quote:

    Jelles14 schreef op 2 augustus 2013 10:40:

    KPN: El Confidencial Digital just that Telefonica is willing to
    increase its bid for Eplus to avoid a takeover bid from AMX the
    webiste reports

    www.elconfidencialdigital.com/dinero/...
    ta-dispuesta-a-mejorar-su-oferta-por-la-alemana-e-plus-5000-mill
    ones-para-bloquear-la-amenaza-de-una-opa-sobre-kpn-por-parte-de-
    carlos-slim
    Goed nieuws !!
  9. [verwijderd] 2 augustus 2013 10:50
    Telefonica is willing to improve its offer by Germany's E-Plus (5,000 million) to block the threat of a takeover bid for KPN by Carlos Slim

     The cracking of Carlos Slim against Telefonica deflates. No launch a takeover bid for Dutch KPN to prevent Telefónica agreement to stay with the German E-Plus. Behind the Mexican tycoon threat is an attempt to force the company headed by Cesar Alierta to submit a higher bid for E-Plus.

    The operator America Movil (AMX), Mexican tycoon Carlos Slim, has ended this week with the agreement he had with the Dutch telecommunications operator KPN to not exceed 30% of its stake in the company.

    The decision threatens the agreement between Telefonica and KPN, by which the Spanish multinational would acquire the German subsidiary E-Plus mobile as AMX could now make a bid for Dutch operator.

    KPN and Telefonica announced recently that the Dutch sold its German subsidiary E-Plus mobile to Spanish by 5,000 million euros in cash and 17.6% of the shares of the company resulting from the union of Telefónica Deutschland and E -Plus.

    The threat of takeover of Carlos Slim is deflated

    According to the Confidential Digital has managed sector sources, the threat of Carlos Slim is not intended to present a bid for KPN, which is discarded by analysts because if America Movil continues to increase its debt, they would lower the rating agencies.

    It is estimated that the debt deal would raise America Movil 3,000 million, compromising its objective of maintaining net financial debt / EBITDA at 1.4 times.

    Forcing Telefónica to make an improved offer

    Carlos Slim But if sought, according to sources, the Spanish multinational force to improve the offer by Germany's E-Plus.

    Telefónica agreed purchase by 5,000 million euros, of which 4,140 million are in cash and the rest is divided into a share distribution by KPN will retain 17.6% of the new company and Telefónica with 65% .

    In areas close to the company not ruled improve this offer to completely block a takeover by Mexican billionaire. Still, the price of Telefonica's offer leaves little room for improvement, incorporating synergies difficult to reach 5,000 million by Slim without similar asset in the German market.

    ps door de vertaalcomputer gehaald , van spaans naar engels ;)
  10. forum rang 6 pwijsneus 2 augustus 2013 10:50
    Slim's Lack of Movility With KPN

    KPN NV's KPN.AE -2.88% biggest shareholder— Carlos Slim's América Móvil SAB AMX.MX +1.26% —hasn't said whether it supports the Dutch telecom operator's decision to sell its German carrier E-Plus to Telefónica Deutschland O2D.XE -0.40% for €8.1 billion ($10.70 billion).

    Mr. Slim may not like KPN's deal. But the Mexican billionaire's company has limited room for maneuver.

    KPN's beleaguered shareholders must hope América Móvil backs the deal: selling E-Plus would end KPN's debt strains, allowing it to resume paying dividends in 2014 while maintaining a 17.6% stake in a hopefully strengthened German operator.

    Reuters
    Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim looks before giving a speech at Mexico's school of engineers in Mexico City on May 28.

    For América Móvil, however, which has bemoaned its lack of opportunities in Latin America, a foothold in Europe's biggest economy was likely a key part of its investment in KPN a year ago. Besides, the offer for E-Plus, while reasonable, is no knockout. It looks rich at nine times 2013 earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization but those earnings are being depressed by unusually high investment this year.

    The snag is that América Móvil's 29.8% stake may not be enough to block the deal, which requires the backing of a majority of voting shareholders. Turnout could easily exceed KPN's 50% historical average.

    And Mr. Slim is constrained by América Móvil's own debt pile. The company has made clear its commitment to protect its current investment-grade credit rating.

    Therein lies the problem. América Móvil could launch an offer to KPN's other shareholders, after terminating a standstill agreement this week that prevented the Mexican company adding to its stake. But net debt to Ebitda already slightly exceeds América Móvil's target of 1.5 times. Moody's has said the company's debt ratios are at the upper end of acceptable levels for its current rating.

    América Móvil can't simply buy shares in the market: exceeding 30% would trigger an expensive mandatory takeover offer at the highest price it paid for shares in the previous 12 months.

    So unless the company can secure the help of a partner, América Móvil faces a balancing act. It could pitch an offer at a modest premium to KPN's current share price—already up 32% since the E-Plus deal leaked in July. Making the offer conditional on América Móvil exceeding 50% could allow the Mexican company to achieve control without spending too much. If it makes too modest an offer, however, the pitch could fail.

    A more generous offer, on the other hand, risks enthusiastic acceptance from KPN's long-suffering investors. After all, the E-Plus deal is promising, but regulators may still block the transaction. Yet that could imperil América Móvil's rating.

    The question for Mr. Slim is how badly he wants to hang on to his launchpad in Europe. The good news for KPN's shareholders is that—regulatory stumbling blocks aside—they may benefit either way.
  11. MSN 2 augustus 2013 10:51
    quote:

    Benjamin_Graham schreef op 2 augustus 2013 10:46:

    [...]

    Lees echter wel goed: is willing = ik wil ook veel, maar tot een daadwerkelijke feit komen, is toch wel heel wat anders... :)

    p.s. jullie willen hier allen toch ook geld verdienen op de beurs (= is willing)? maar niet iedereen verdient echter geld op de beurs (= facts)...
    is willing is geen willen vertaald hé. Willing is dat je bereid bent. Met andere woorden indien er een bod komt zijn ze bereid over erover te bieden. Niet dat ze het wel zouden willen.. lol :)
  12. novital 2 augustus 2013 10:51
    quote:

    B_B schreef op 2 augustus 2013 10:37:

    [...]

    Daarom is flexibiliteit heel belangrijk bij beleggen.
    Zelfs na 1000 jaar kan je nog steeds niet (winstgevend) beleggen.
    Je kent meer begrippen, je begrijpt meer, maar je wordt er financieel niet beter van.
    Helemaal mee eens.
    In tegenspraak met avonturiers en vrijbuiters die ieder voor zich een "frische und fröliche Krieg" voorzien, is en blijft het bijzonder moeilijk om op langere termijn structureel winst te boeken.
    Alleen de verleiding is zo groot...
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